A couple of years ago, I took a deep dive into exploring some of the patterns in nature and ended up stepping away from Christian Science, the religion that I was raised in, as a result.

The only person that I knew who had traversed all that same terrain (both the philosophical explorations as well as the Christian Science upbringing) was Arthur Brock, so I reached out to him for a chat.

This hour plus conversation was the result.  In it, we explore some of the insights that I had stumbled upon during that recent foray, as well as Christian Science, and the limits of western rationalistic science.

I start by talking through some of my recent philosophical explorations, then

We discuss:

For those interested in the Paul Krafel pieces that Art mentioned (I’ve since become a big fan) The edited version of his film, The Upward Spiral has terrible audio and bad editing and is not all that exciting for about the first 15 minutes, but if you pay attention, by the time you get about halfway through you realize that this might be the most profound thing you’ve seen all year.  Full version is here.

Also, Krafel’s book, Seeing Nature, is amazing. I highly recommend it.